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 Post subject: Re: BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells
PostPosted: 15. March 2009 11:37 
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shocking results,so many seeds out from 2nd round


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 Post subject: Re: BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells
PostPosted: 15. March 2009 11:53 
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A great win for Daniela and this could give her alot of the confidence she needs to kick start her career again after almost a year of generally average results and average performances.
The draw is now really open and I just hope Daniela can take advantage of it. If she falls, I really want her to fall to one of the top seeds and not a low seed or unseeded player, such as Cetkovska (even though the Czech did just beat Dementieva). I think getting to the stage of the tournament where she is playing a top-ten opponant (i.e. Ivanovic), will give her a buzz again and a chance for an upset win which she hasn't been able to get in so long simply because she hasn't been getting to the latter stages of tournaments.
Overall, 7 seeds out on Day 4 (Jankovic[2], Dementieva[3], Cornet[11], Cibulkova[14], Zheng[15], Sugiyama[20], Errani[27]), so Daniela did very well to stop the trend (unfortunately, so did Ana).
The very bottom half of the draw is now so open due to both Jankovic, Cornet and Cibulkova all going out. Radwanska (the highest seed left in that quarter) is not in great form, and could potentially fall to Wozniak, and the next highest seed is Kleybanova, seeded 21. It will be interesting to see who is able to come through and take advantage of a great opportunity. At the moment, the only player I would like to see reach the semi-finals is Pavlyuchenkova, which would obviously be a huge result for the 17 year old.


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 Post subject: Re: BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells
PostPosted: 15. March 2009 12:21 
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What a great relief after that win. That was so important. Now the draw is open. Great chance for Daniela to make a good run.
But I think the next round will be a very tough match.
Hope that the win gives her a bit of confidence. That was a great fight. That is the thing that good players are made of. When you are completely out of form you have to fight. And that is exactly the thing Daniela did.



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 Post subject: Re: BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells
PostPosted: 15. March 2009 12:58 
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when is my pulse the highest? Now when Daniela is playing, or when I am running a marathon?You run marathons? :shock: Or did you just want to make a strong comparison?
i can't stand this tension anymore! i hate following the live score.I heard commentator of the Federer match citing the scores of women's matches and he also mentioned that Daniela was playing 5-7 5-2 at the time. I thought it was an utter craziness to follow this on a scoreboard, you're all mad, but you have my admiration. 8-)
WOHOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :banana:
Daniela is awesome at playing tiebreakers!!!She has an extra motivation at this tournament and gave it all. And usually you can count on her if it gets to a tiebreak.

On another note, it is now confirmed that Daniela ended her cooperation with Portas and is now working with Hogstedt. She felt that she needed someone more experienced to coach her, because she still has a lot of things to learn. After Miami Daniela will decide whether to continue with him or not. I think she needs a stable coach, so many changes in a short time-span rarely do any good.


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 Post subject: Re: BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells
PostPosted: 15. March 2009 13:04 
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What can I say but well done Daniela. The first match is always tough especially seeing as the bye to the 2nd round doesn't actually favour the seeded players in terms of gettign used to the courts.

Daniela's courage and fighting spirit is incredible! I hope she can take advantage of the draw now...


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 Post subject: Re: BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells
PostPosted: 15. March 2009 15:51 
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You run marathons? :shock: Or did you just want to make a strong comparison?
sorry, just wanted to make a strong comparison. I didn't feel that writing "when is my pulse the highest? Now when Daniela is playing, or when I am running 4 km?"

On another note, it is now confirmed that Daniela ended her cooperation with Portas and is now working with Hogstedt. She felt that she needed someone more experienced to coach her, because she still has a lot of things to learn. After Miami Daniela will decide whether to continue with him or not. I think she needs a stable coach, so many changes in a short time-span rarely do any good.

I am a bit more comfortable the choice of Hogstedt, as he is more experience and I prefer that. I really hope she stays with him as I prefer as few changes as possible.





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 Post subject: Re: BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells
PostPosted: 15. March 2009 18:50 
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On another note, it is now confirmed that Daniela ended her cooperation with Portas and is now working with Hogstedt. She felt that she needed someone more experienced to coach her, because she still has a lot of things to learn. After Miami Daniela will decide whether to continue with him or not. I think she needs a stable coach, so many changes in a short time-span rarely do any good.Well I hate to be critical of Daniela but it strikes me that she was already working with an experienced coach in Angel Gimenez,so why the chopping and changing? The whole situation still puzzles me.


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 Post subject: Re: BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells
PostPosted: 15. March 2009 19:40 
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Just like Daniela said, play match point as if it's any other point. And she fought off two match points to win the match. That's a big relief for me. My heart rate is always the highest when I'm watching a big, dramatic match, even on live score...





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 Post subject: Re: BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells
PostPosted: 15. March 2009 20:01 
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Well I hate to be critical of Daniela but it strikes me that she was already working with an experienced coach in Angel Gimenez,so why the chopping and changing? The whole situation still puzzles me.According to Daniela Gimenez is a great coach but he teaches tennis, which was effective maybe 10 years ago. She felt she needed someone who better understands how much women's tennis has progressed over the last several years and who emphasizes power in tennis (that's how I understand it anyway). I am not sure I agree with her, but that's the way she sees it.


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 Post subject: Re: BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells
PostPosted: 15. March 2009 20:54 
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I read somewhere that when Hogstedt practiced with Haas, he hit with at least as much power as Haas so Daniela probably feels that a coach and hitting partner like that can prepare her better for playing the power players and improve the potency of her own shots as well.
I think the important thing is that Daniela has a coach that she's comfortable with and that she trusts. I feel that Hogstedt is a good choice for her as Keifer & Haas had success with him, the initial results have been okay (she played very well against Makarova in Paris in Hogstedt's first match and she fought well against Wickmayer) so there is a base to build on and some continuity and stability would be good for Daniela right now.



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 Post subject: Re: BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells
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Yeah I certainly don't agree with her. The tennis that Angel taught her was good enough to get her back into the top 10 and winning tournaments again,which many people thought wouldn't happen. It was such a thrill to watch her play with comparitively good footwork and dramatically reduced numbers of UE as well. I felt the Sanchez-Casal boys got a raw deal quite frankly.

Sometimes I feel that Daniela has trouble seeing the forest for the trees. When I heard she was working with Portas,I said "WTF?That guy was playing on the ATP tour until recently! He's way too inexperienced!" Et viola,he's dismissed due to lack of experience. Hell,even Harold Solomon got longer than he did! I feel sorry for the guy.

Womens tennis has progressed over the last few years? It seems to have regressed badly from my point of view,and Justine's abrupt retirement certainly hasn't helped matters.


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 Post subject: Re: BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells
PostPosted: 15. March 2009 21:26 
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^^ What she means and here I agree with her is that women's tennis is much more difficult and competitive, lots of players go for their shots, have plenty of weapons and will eat you if you are not prepared. Women's game has become physical like never before. Most of old champions would get creamed if they played the same way they did in their era of success. When Daniela emerged on the tour she was a player with very powerful shots and could outhit pretty much everyone bar players like Williams sisters and Davenport, nowadays some people refer to her shots as mid-paced. You see the difference.
Talking about Henin, imo she and her coach saw this change coming and made good adjustments in her game to be successful even in this era of power tennis. Jankovic and her team saw it too and Jelena worked really hard during offseason to gain some muscles, not that it's working yet, but it proves that people involved in women's tennis are aware how physical women's tennis is nowadays and that in order to be really successful you need some strength in arms.

And there is another thing we should take into account. Daniela still wants to be world number one and she probably didn't believe she could get there if she continued with Gimenez. From this perspective I can understand her decision to leave the academy and start working with people like Etcheberry. Maybe she will regret in the future but you gotta understand her. Kuznetsova made a similar decision.


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 Post subject: Re: BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells
PostPosted: 15. March 2009 22:04 
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Good points Martin. I offer the following rejoinders:

1. The players today hardly have more weapons,it's all about ball-bashing. Read Steve Tignor's account of how little practise the women put into their volleying at tennis.com if you don't believe me. Daniela is one of the few players capable of playing an all-court game.

2. However you cut it,the quality of womens game has gone way downhill since 2007. I haven't seen one game this year that was as good as the Hantuchova-Schnyder Linz final,and that wasn't even the best match that those two played that year.

3. The power aspect of Daniela's game is a vexed issue for me,I really don't know where to rank her. The pertinent aspects are these-I think that in 2002 the hard courts and grass were a lot faster(I just rewatched Daniela-Henin at the US Open and was amazed by how much the ball zipped off the court in comparison to today),and Daniela did lose a lot of power due to her off-court problems in 2003. It was the same story after coming back from injury last year. The match with Cornet in Paris showed she can still give it a fair whack.

4. No.1 is a pipedream and Daniela should set more realistic goals. Matt Cronin is of a similar opinion.

5.Sveta is not a good example of a successful move away from the Academy.

6.Nor is Jelena a good example of a sensible approach to tennis fitness.

7. Daniela working with Pat Etcheberry is something I thoroughly approve of. Her previous training team really dropped the ball with regards to her heel problem IMHO.


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 Post subject: Re: BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells
PostPosted: 15. March 2009 22:10 
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Good points Martin. I offer the following rejoinders:
4. No.1 is a pipedream and Daniela should set more realistic goals. Matt Cronin is of a similar opinion.


I agree with you .. On the other hand , I think that all of the players dream to become nr1 in ranks .. I think that if Daniela didn't had those problems back in 2003 she would be a massive player because she was still improving her tennis and she could easily climb even higher than 5th.
Nowadays , I think that it's going to be a lot harder for her , even to enter top5 again. The game is fairly more competitive as there's a lot of new quality players coming on every year .


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 Post subject: Re: BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells
PostPosted: 16. March 2009 00:02 
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1. The players today hardly have more weapons,it's all about ball-bashing. Read Steve Tignor's account of how little practise the women put into their volleying at tennis.com if you don't believe me. Daniela is one of the few players capable of playing an all-court game.I believe you, but the thing is that one-dimensional ballbashing is easily the most successful style of play. You don't need to have a perfect all-court game to win big. If you are not Hingis you are more likely to struggle with shot selection since you have many options how to play your game than be a really effective all-court player.

2. However you cut it,the quality of womens game has gone way downhill since 2007. I haven't seen one game this year that was as good as the Hantuchova-Schnyder Linz final,and that wasn't even the best match that those two played that year.That wasn't my point. I was comparing women's tennis in last few years and 8-10 years ago.

3. The power aspect of Daniela's game is a vexed issue for me,I really don't know where to rank her. The pertinent aspects are these-I think that in 2002 the hard courts and grass were a lot faster(I just rewatched Daniela-Henin at the US Open and was amazed by how much the ball zipped off the court in comparison to today),and Daniela did lose a lot of power due to her off-court problems in 2003. It was the same story after coming back from injury last year. The match with Cornet in Paris showed she can still give it a fair whack.But there are many other players who can whack the ball even harder. In 2002 there were only few players who could exploit Daniela's defense, 9 years later you have players like Wickmayer who can do it too and look where they are ranked.

4. No.1 is a pipedream and Daniela should set more realistic goals. Matt Cronin is of a similar opinion.Well, yes. But it's also something that pushes her forward and motivates her. This attitude is perhaps the main reason for Daniela's remarkable work ethics and as such I can't complain about it, rather I will support it.

5.Sveta is not a good example of a successful move away from the Academy.

6.Nor is Jelena a good example of a sensible approach to tennis fitness.I get what you mean, but you can't disregard their recent moves just because Jankovic's old schedule was beyond ridiculous.

Kuznetsova was really going nowhere in 2008. If you feel someone can't help you to solve certain issues you look elsewhere, which she did. Jury still out whether it was a mistake or not.

7. Daniela working with Pat Etcheberry is something I thoroughly approve of. Her previous training team really dropped the ball with regards to her heel problem IMHO.So, you see that not everything was perfect in the academy. ;)


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